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MLM Wisdom on R.E.A.L. JobsWe all know the MLMers loooooove to constantly run down "real" jobs, i.e. any job that offers health insurance and a 401k. So here's a really funny document from a Mary Kay GeniusTM, who shall remain anonymous so that we can ridicule this with glee. Behold, my pretties, another MK Lady lying about the MLM opportunity: Now why do I say that this person is lying? Not because she implies $20k/year is not a big enough salary to support a family and pay daycare payments – it isn’t. It's because she wants you to believe that if you sell Mary Kay, you'll make more. When in reality, most directors in Mary Kay are broke because their "love checks" don't cover the expenses of their business. Even a car-driving MK director who makes $1,500/month is usually broke, because once you deduct all the expenses, she'll be lucky to make any profit at all. (And she'll have to work MK full time.) "No. Really. You can replace your income with Mary Kay". (But your whole "paycheck" will go toward running this sham of a business.) *snort* Comments I love how she separated clothes from pantyhose. What the crack is that all about? I work a REAL job, and I think I wore pantyhose to it twice in the past 14 months. I was also told to "look" for professional women. Reason being is to recruit women with money to order the maximum because the assumption is they have money to burn. They make you think MK is a "profession", but in actuality, they need professionals with money to keep ordering a lot of inventory to keep them in their caddies and the like. MK is no profession just like all other MLM's. First, where is this person working that they are only making $20,000 a year? I was an administrative assistant at a mid-size company working for the Director of Warehouse Operations and I was making $28,900. Also, is it just me or does the tax bracket look a little high? I mean, the taxes are eating away almost 1/2 of that persons paycheck; they need an account, not MK. If I'm working and making only $20k a year I'm not wearing pantyhose and I'm not spending that much on clothes; oh, and you wouldn't be eating out either. It only takes 1/2 a brain to figure out this anaology is slightly biased :) Shabby Um, thanks I'd rather have the 20K salary with benefits, than work for Mary Kay. "First, where is this person working that they are only making $20,000 a year?" Like I've said a hundred times on this forum, a lot of MK ladies never had a real career in their life. OK, some of them did, I'm sure. But I think many of them never had viable careers. If they did go out and try to get a job, 20K is probably all they might be qualified to earn...so no wonder they believe that is the only salary out there. I think my sister's job may pay that low, but she works on the phone, from her own home, so she has no wardrobe, travel, or daycare expenses. She's in Kansas, and she said that the pinkos are after her all the time. She was smart enough to realize that it would take too much time away from her family, though.
$20k/year is a perfectly fine salary, if you don't have kids in daycare and
aren't trying to support a family on that amount--so it's not that people who
make $20k are all dismally poor--it's just the Mary Kay Spin on this topic is so
unrealistic. The nefarious thing about this swindle is their natural prey seems to be stay-at-home moms, students, and under employed ladies. Just the type that in NO WAY can afford to assume significant consumer debt. In my opinion if Mary Kay were around in Dante's time, he would have identified a specific level of Hell for these panderers, right next to pederasts and idolaters. I am not sure why you are such a nice guy, maybe that's why your name is MKDIVORCEE, because you are just SO DARN NICE!
i see the discussion here about real jobs. no one mentions the drain on the
family for both parents to be out of the home working. childcare is a real
issue. i found that i could go out 1 or 2 nights per week, while my children are
home with my husband, and make as much as i was making working for someone else,
and we still have plenty of quality family time, plus my kids are being raised
by me "And I was told to stalk professional looking women who probably make more than 20K." SO True. Anyone see the hypocrisy in this? Demeaning the very women they are depending on for sales? Who else can afford the overpriced stuff except those professional women.????? UGHHHHH! *exasperation with the stupidity of that flyer* Most professional jobs do pay over $20k these days. When I was working part time, I made more than that. However I was perfectly willing to make the sacrifices and budget adjustments needed to be a SAHM when my kids were young. Not everyone is " a money grubbing hog". So who do they target - those in need or those who have means? Either way they are a ball of contradictions with all of the time that those here spend bashing mk, scanning the internet for more "stuff", making business cards and Tshirts, I don't see how you get anything else done...i wonder how your spouse really feels about that big waste of time? if your spouses were so concerned when you were "gone" out trying to make money, how do they feel about you spending so much time on this which generates NO money or income, it doesn't better your family, it doesn't improve your life why not get off of the computer and go play wtih your children or spend some time with your husband? As most folks on here can attest, I am a sweet and kind gentleman. :) And the reason I am a MKDivorcee is because this sleazy outfit, which uses God as a scandalous cover, destroyed my family. From what I have seen, read and heard, I am far from alone. I was (and am) a faithful, hard-working, reliable, church-going, respectful husband and father. This sinful scam, which should be criminalized, brought moral and financial ruin to my family unit, as well as that of another. It has not, however, ruined me. I have persevered, through the help of God, Family and Friends. The very things this Wizard of Oz smokescreen swindle shamelessly pimps to get women to give them money.
"i see the discussion here about real jobs. no one mentions the drain on the
family for both parents to be out of the home working. childcare is a real
issue. i found that i could go out 1 or 2 nights per week, while my children are
home with my husband, and make as much as i was making working for someone else,
and we still have plenty of quality family time, plus my kids are being raised
by me Why not get an evening job, say in a restaurant, where you can have a set schedule and make anywhere from 500 to 1000 a week, depending on your hours and the type of place you work in? I make way more than 20K a year, but my guy's part-time (2-3 shifts a week) bartending job brings home more than my salaried take home pay. You can bet your bottom dollar I'll be bartending two or three nights a week to be an SAHM. And I won't have to worry about pressuring anyone into anything just so I get a big enough check to clothe and feed my kids. "why not get off of the computer and go play wtih your children or spend some time with your husband?" same goes for you. Ok, I worked as an Office Administrator back in 97. When I left I was making $9 an hour working 20 - 25 hours per week on average. My take home was about $600 a month. If you double that my take home would have been about $15,000 a year. Not great as the only income but for a 20 year old working part time and being the second income for my husband and I it was pretty good. That today would not be enough to justify working. I would have the daycare expense and travel which would eat into the paycheck to the point of no paycheck! Another thing, is it really fair for them to count meals as an expense? I have lunch every day, regardless of where I am. If I was working, I'd just pack that lunch and take it with me. Just because you're working doesn't mean you have to eat takeout. "And I won't have to worry about pressuring anyone into anything just so I get a big enough check to clothe and feed my kids." No, you'd be hanging out in a bar, pouring alcohol into drunks, how is that so great a choice for a woman? nevermind the late hours! Leah, what kind of restaurant job pays that sort of money, other than bartending? MKD, those here do not know you enough to attest to anything. they like you because you agree with them. your posts here are anything but gentlemanly, respectful, kind, or Christian like I agree with everyone, except for No Name. A full-time, professional job pays more than $20K per year, virtually everywhere in the U.S. Also, if a person with 2 kids only makes 20K, she would not have to pay income taxes AT ALL. As for clothing and pantyhose, why would a 20K worker have to pay that much for fancy stuff? I never had to wear skirts & pantyhose outside of the retail jobs (15 years ago) and MK. Even then, at my former dept. store retail job ($25K/year), makeup, skirts & pantyhose were 40% off for employees. And shifts were scheduled a month in advance at a time so that I could coordinate child care. With MK, you cannot schedule skincare classes that far in advance and have them hold. All that being said, I also left that retail job because I didn't make enough money. But I made more there than than I did with MK. No Name wrote: "why not get off of the computer and go play wtih your children or spend some time with your husband?" My children are in school, genius, not locked up in a closet while I'm trying to make 50 phone calls after catalogs are delivered. Also, you're spending way more time on the computer trying spew out propoganda as fast as possible. There's one of you and at least 10 of us. It only takes us 1/10 of the time it takes you. Maybe even shorter because we just may be a little smarter than you in your pink fog and all.
My 18 year old daughter made that kind of money this summer working 4 nights a
week at "country French" restaurant and made a ton of great contacts for future
jobs during her college years and beyond, so I don't know what you're getting
at, no name. And for pete's sake, if you're going to post....PICK A NAME. It's
not that hard. Once again I am forced to correct a Pink Wierdo's post. I NEVER said folks on here LIKE me, I just said they know I am a sweetie. LOL During college, I worked as a bartender at a 5 star restaurant and also with a catering company. I made great money and I had far fewer unpleasant situations than I did with MK. With bartending, men would occasionally get too drunk and we'd call security to remove him. I had other coworkers to depend on. With MK, I was pretty much by myself in a home with strangers. Nothing more uncomfortable than being alone with a bunch of unpleasant people in their den. When the Kaybots talk, all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher: "WOH-WOH-WOHHHH..WOH-WOH...WOH-WOHHHHHHHHHH" Okay, don't ban me but I saw this documentary on HBO about a legal brothel in Nevada. According to the owner, if you work there for 2 years you would NEVER have to work again if you didn't want to. (of course, you are selling yourself in the process) but it reminded me of how MK works. Sell yourself hard for 2-3 years (whether it be your body or your credit standing/selling cosmetics) and you will never have to work as hard again. The Nevada Moonlite Bunny Ranch and MK need to compare notes on recruiting. "No, you'd be hanging out in a bar, pouring alcohol into drunks, how is that so great a choice for a woman? nevermind the late hours!" Nice post no name - In your own words (substituting ladylike for gentlemanly) "your posts here are anything but ladylike, respectful, kind, or Christian like"
What difference does it make is a person bartends- she didn't say she was
stripping for pete's sake. You're making alot of nonsensical assumptions. Most
bartenders these days will put people out before they serve them too much.(they
can be held accountable)
Oh! I was at the library with my kids--so sorry I missed this blast!
MKDivorcee, your earlier post about MK being a "sinful scam, which should be
criminalized" gave me the warm fuzzies-thanks. Oh-the comment on bartending HAHAHAHAHA
Another example of the MK snotty goody-two-shoes attitude. Which is completely
contrary to their Seminars in which firemen rain from the ceiling. I'd also like to touch on the whole idea MK tries to "push" that with real JOBS you don't get recognition, prizes and their not "family friendly" so your sacrificing your family, etc. My job as the admin. asst. at the warehouse was in a word PERFECT. Here's why... First, a casual dress code meant a minimal investment, if any, and I was super comfortable on my job. Second, I had tons of training, not just for my skill set, but for other skills that I could cross-over and work different areas in the future; this training was free, I didn't have to pay a weekly due or invite my friends to participate... and they fed us! Third, every quarter (3 months) the company had an Employee Appreciation Picnic and it was great... they would have a catering company come out and grill/bbq for us and they would provide music, games, etc. All for free... didn't have to pay a $10 or $20 "fee" to participate. Next, I received yearly awards for my efforts; one year I received a beautiful Cross pen with the Co. logo on it (found out it cost about $45) and a $50 gift certificate to TFIFridays for me and my family. Best of all, my real JOB was extremely family friendly. When my children were sick I took "flex" days, when I was sick I took a sick day, what sick days I didn't take I was paid for at the end of the year. I arranged to come in at 8:30 every morning so I could personally drop my kids off at school and spend "morning time" with them and every other week I arranged to leave work early so I could pick them up. The off weeks I worked one hour later than normal to make up some time and my husband picked the kids up from school. I had weekends off, evenings off, Holidays off and I received 12 days of PAID vacation a year! I haven't even started on the healthcare benefits, 401k, matching pension plan, doubled life insurance, dental insurance, vision care, etc.! Bottom line is MK doesn't even touch what I had at my previous JOB. Now, because of my husband's career, I am able to stay at home with my kids. No Name: my kids are in school, I have my errands finished and a load of laundry in the washer, and now I can take some time for myself... something you don't get to do in MK. Sorry so long! The whole JOB thing really rakes on my nerves. Shabby :) OK how about this one: In my opinion, Mary Kay is a manipulative racketeering outfit, which uses vanity, pride, avarice and any one of a multitude of cardinal sins to entice unsuspecting women down a corrupt road to moral and financial ruin. Pretty soon Pincadillac is going to be so warm she will need to move to Antartica. LOL I hear you Shabby. Your previous job operates exactly the way my current job does. I love my job. Very family oriented law firm with excellent pay and benefits and 4 week vacation time. i'm all too familiar with those flex days and paid sick days at the end of the year. They understand that everyone has a LIFE outsife of work and allows us the flexibility. And All it costs my child is one hour after school each day. Ooooh!! No name is ashamed of me, huh!!!!!!!!
Hey, S! "The Nevada Moonlite Bunny Ranch and MK need to compare notes on
recruiting." I'd say the brothel folks are more honest because It's the oldest profession in the world, right? I might even consider it if I weren't so grossed out by cooties. After all, I've already been screwed every which way by MK. No name, any fine dining waitress easily makes an income equivalent to that of a white collar supervisor or manager, meaning over 45K a year. Also, you can put down the idea of people socializing in bars when it becomes illegal. Until then, it is a perfectly suitable social activity. Bartenders and servers are forced to take safe alcohol service courses in most restaurants, and most people who imbibe are not "drunks." At least no one is forcing anyone to drink, the way you force your frontloading of inventory. "With MK, I was pretty much by myself in a home with strangers. Nothing more uncomfortable than being alone with a bunch of unpleasant people in their den." You know, we really did put ourselves in some danger here. Thank God nothing happened to any of us when we were at the homes of people we didn't even know.!!! I agree with MKD - criminalize the scam! I look at it this way...after a few months in Mary Kay, these ladies who have porked themselves into a consumer credit nightmare may very well be moved to taking up the moniker of "working girl." Why? 1) The job is easier and turns a faster buck. 2) There is no pressure to force or try to entice your customers to enter the field themselves. 3) No phone skills required! 4) The house makes a lower percentage. 5) The screwing is temporary. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! *with tears* MKD, you are crazy! Hey everyone, it's Shabby again, just sitting here on my laptop, eating bon-bons watching t.v. while my kids play with the electrical outlets... ;) Anyway, why is it that you never hear about how much Directors have to pay out for medical, dental and vision insurance? This is a dramatic deduction to a self-employed individual, I would think. I never see that deducted from the "expenses" when the Directors talk about their monthly "income". Medical alone could run near $400 a month if you have a spouse and children, unless you have a spouse who is "floating" the insurance for you. "Mary Kay is a manipulative racketeering outfit, which uses vanity, pride averice and any one of a multitude of cardinal sins"
OKAY. NOW YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO TURN ME ON. Well then Mrs. Cadillac, you of all people should know if all the women who are accosted by these Mary Kay Goons knew Chinese when they were initially approached, we wouldn't have this problem. "Sum Ting Wong." Sorry, I couldn't help it. MKD, Stop it!!! I'm gonna have major sinus problems if coffee keeps going thru my nose!! ;-) I can't stand how the people in MK put on the "I'm so much better than you" act. To the no name on here who is too chicken to post her real name - it really isn't any of your business how any of us spends our time. If people on here want to spend all day posting on here, then that's their business. People in MK act as though if you are not living, breathing, dreaming MK every second of the day then your life is worthless. My life is much better now that I am out of MK and my stress level has decreased immensely.
Hey Lady Microderm, And MKD has a point, also. The manager of Moonlite said that the women split the take 50/50..so you as an individual make more than the percentage in MK. If you can stand it, and you have HBO, you should catch the show. It almost made me want to move out to Nevada and try it...ALMOST. --S Cocktail waitresses in Las Vegas casinos can make $1500 per night easily. Wow...but i bet you have to have a perfect body to be one of THOSE kind of "cocktail waitresses", no? My brother put himself through college tending bar. It can be done..waiting tables and/or tending bar. At least you can keep the tips and not have to reinvest it back into a sinkhole business. Hey look, based upon the misery I have seen inflicted by this monsterous organization, I would rather make minimum wage manually expressing dog's anal sacks at the Vet's office. "Hey look, based upon the misery I have seen inflicted by this monsterous organization, I would rather make minimum wage manually expressing dog's anal sacks at the Vet's office."
Man. This thread has really gone downhill, hasn't it? :P "Man. This thread has really gone downhill, hasn't it? :P"
Now THAT'S what I want to see. Pinkcadillac in a cocktail waitress's outfit!
Get serious. Like I would subject myself to your lascivious ogling! MK Divorcee, You crack me up! You make me laugh, even when I'm not feeling well. To No Name: "why not get off of the computer and go play wtih your children or spend some time with your husband?" Because I make plenty of money in my real job, which is flexible enough to allow me time to be with my family. So, I can afford to goof off on the internet because I don't need to spend time stalking whatever-salary-level-is-appropriate women in the mall. Okay! Poor ShabbyinPink has made some very good points, which are getting drowned out... I am very interested to know how SINGLE Mk directors are paying for all the medical, dental, etc, etc. I am assuming that their exes are paying big bucks in child support (like MKDivorcee is, no doubt). "I am very interested to know how SINGLE Mk directors are paying for all the medical, dental, etc, etc." Unfortunately, all the directors i know are single and they all have jobs with benefits which they plan to quit to do MK full-time. *sigh* I'll keep you posted if that ever happens. "...plus my youngest child often goes with me when i am working my business" My Dear Director did this to me the very first time I did a class with her. She brought her 2 monster pre-adolescent children to MY friend's house, where my friend's husband had to feed and entertain them for 2+ hours.... I was SHOCKED. My friend was very gracious about it, but the nerve! It was horrible. "Nothing more uncomfortable than being alone with a bunch of unpleasant people in their den." EW!! I did a class once in a house that had mounted dead animal heads on pretty much every available wall space in the house and a giant fishtank full of baby sharks. People are so weird... what was I thinking??!? This totally reminds me of the time one woman said she didn't want to have the facial at her house because "it wasn't safe for me to be there". WTF? Either it was a total cop-out or... it really wasn't safe for me to be there. Fortunately, she flaked on our appointment. When she said that, it really gave me the heebie-jeebies. I told my director and she tried to play it off, but it really freaked me out! "it wasn't safe for me to be there". Oh My. This business really is dangerous--I have some horror stories about doing facials where everyone was a stranger. People need to be VERY careful about the kind of people they are facialing. And I don't meant that in a snobby way--I mean if the woman says she lives in an apartment with a boyfriend that just got out on parole, DON'T GO OVER THERE, ya know?? Hey Ms. Contessa, the lady might have been doing you a favor with the warning! If I knew what Mary Kay had in store for me and my family, I would have chased that initial plague carrying MK consultant (I call her Patient Zero) out of my home with a Louisville Slugger. The thing about expenses just made me laugh. The flyer is obviously skewed. What they don't show is all of the expenses associated with MK. When I was single, the jobs I held all made good money and I was able to wear casual clothes to work. With MK, I had to buy clothes to fit into the MK "requirements" as well as hose (YUCK!). In addition, my director expected every consultant to bring some type of food to every meeting as well as pay meeting dues. I was putting money out on a weekly basis between food and dues that I wasn't earning to begin with. Then there were all of the "special" things like awards dinners and meetings with the national, etc. No, I was definitely spending more money in MK than when I had a real job. My husband thinks this site is funny. I'll show him the posts or read them to him and he laughs about the cr@p the pinkos post. He encouraged me and supported me through the MK years, but he was REALLY glad when I was done with it. Actually, he thinks I need to send the URL to my ex-director and unit. I'm so glad we have male fans out there!! :)I read stuff off this site to my husband sometimes, and he always laughs. He likes MKDivorcee especially. "And even if you ARE trying to support a bunch of kids on just $20k/year, you're STILL better off than if you sold MK." Hey, I think living under a bridge in a cardboard box, is better off than selling MK! There are so many ways you can be better off than selling Mary Kay. Let's see...what immediately comes to mind... hhmmm... How about having dinner at Jeffrey Dahmer's house? As in Jeffrey Dahmer=Mk in eating people alive?? MK=Jeffrey Dahmer=cannibalism I guess my point is I would rather sit down to one of Jeffrey's home cooked meals than get involved in that fraudelent swindle. Hell, it can't be worse than the stuff they put in hotdogs. Or Spam.
Hi everyone!
Oh Meagan! Thanks for popping in to validate my outrageous blanket statements!
"She brought her 2 monster pre-adolescent children to MY friend's house, where my friend's husband had to feed and entertain them for 2+ hours." how freaking rude!! How about a charm school "boot camp" for Kaybots?? Sound like they need to learn some manners. "any fine dining waitress easily makes an income equivilant to that of a white collar supervisor or manager, meaning over 45K a year." True! At Del Fresco's steakhouse (just a mile or so from Mary Kay headquarters) the waitresses are raking in about $300 to $400 per shift. meagan, we would love to see a breakdown of your expenses. if your checks were that much, then you should have had plenty left over. your inventory should have been paid for out of your sales
ooh ooh! The Pinkos want an itemization of your expensees so they can pronounce
you a bad money manager! yippeeee!
I do not have the time to even think about detailing my expenses and income etc.
because i'm too busy packing all of my MK crap to send back!! My inventory WAS
paid for out of my sales which is another reason i never had any money left to
show for it. I don't know what world these pinkos live in. Well, actually i do,
we all do.
meagan, you said earlier that you had $4400 in inventory debt, how is that if
you paid for your inventory with sales? ooh ooh did I call it or what?? Yeah Meagan; $200/month is too much for prizes, since most directors buy dollar store items or give away free hotel samples, etc, etc. You must have been giving away some decent prizes -- SHAME on you!! I think you've really given us a breath-taking expose', Pinkie. So far you haven't explained why she had no profit. Even if she bought ZERO prizes, I'm sure she was paying for the loan or credit card debt on her inventory!! And the interest on a credit card for $4400??? Yikes. You're losing on this one, I can tell you right now. Wowee! Lots of replies to this one, but you hit the nail on the head once again P.C. Good to be back. BTW, I'm using Clinique now, it's better, cheaper and right at my local Dillard's store! Humph! Princess EmeraldStar!! woo hoo! i missed you, glad you're back.:) NOW i realize that i was spending too much on prizes. But at the time i thought it was what i was supposed to do. I also had a lot of adoptees(10) and am still waiting on payment from some of their directors. I was the only director for hours in my neck of the woods. As i said in a previous post, i acknowledge that my money was my money and i purchased the things i purchased without anyone holding a gun to my head. However, the pressure from my upline was enormous and while i realize it's not that way with every unit, it was with mine. Furthermore, with the whole 60/40 rule with MK, it has taken me forever to pay back my credit cards. This is a place to share our experiences not to be questioned by pinkos. I know that you will find the majority of people who post here are or were in my situation. So if you (unnamed one who keeps writing to me) would like to explain how great MK is then find a different site. We don't want to hear it, we've heard it all before. I'm really itching for some Kaybots to chime in with some mindless, illogical, cult-like statements. Work is hard today and I need a good laugh! "Furthermore, with the whole 60/40 rule with MK, it has taken me forever to pay back my credit cards. This is a place to share our experiences not to be questioned by pinkos." then you either ordered up too much inventory, or are not selling enough product! "then you either ordered up too much inventory, or are not selling enough product!" As if we haven't heard that already enough! I swear, there isn't one thread that goes about where someone bears their soul about their MK experience and some pinky comes in and says this.
I think I am going to have to set up a "FAQ" section, or "The Most Common Pinko
Responses", so that they don't need to give their little pat answers to everyone
who shares on here. Yeah, and every time they say, "You bought too much product!" or "You should have been selling!" or "You should have worked harder!" or whatever, we can just post a link to that and ignore them :) "then you either ordered up too much inventory, or are not selling enough product!" Has anyone ever had a director tell them that when they were going to place an order? Most directors don't care at all how much is on your shelf or what your sales are. At the end of the month, they romance all the "new" stuff, or say you need arena seating, consistency club and let's not forget the stars for the web after the TV ads. If all else fails, they need you to reach unit goals, it's a investment. Because "YOU" deserve to be a Cadillac unit LOL!!!!! I still don't see the big deal about a pink Cadillac. What's the perk? OnStar?? Plenty of other vehicles have OnStar, too. When I see a Caddy, i think of senior citizens. :P
To Baroness, When my director asked me if I was going to order (she was trying sooooo hard to get her brand new unit to get her a grand prix) anymore for the month, I told her matter-of-factly, "Nope, I've ordered all I needed this month!" This was after she had sent emails out saying, "Get your star!" And I did, just barely. But that's all I was going to do, and that's pretty much the last bit of orders she got out of me, because it was shortly after the Seattle Sizzle that I got out of the pink fog. She should be getting a chargeback about now? I think so, considering I've already gotten my check back. I don't think it will hurt my sister-in-law/recruiter too much... I'm mean, 4% of $2000 is nothing compared to what they dump into the company when they buy inventory. "When I see a Caddy, i think of senior citizens. " Same here! Cadillacs are a relic from the 70s. Sort of like lava lamps. Yeah, but lava lamps are sort of groovy. Cadillacs are gas guzzlers that you shouldn't drive if you can afford not to. It's one thing to be stuck with an old caddie because you just can't afford the upfront cost of a newer car. It's quite another thing to go out and buy or lease a new one. Other than MK, is there really a demand for this vehicle anymore? When I was in MK, prior to recent gas problems, I was wondering why MK doesn't offer pink Escalades, to update their image (as they're supposedly trying to do). I mean, it's obvious that only Pinkos drive pink cars. cats out of the bag? not sure what that means? just wondered how you can comment on something that you didn't even see or witness...I was there, with a good seat, i might add. it cracks me up that there are those of you who have never even been a consultant and you want to tell those of us with many, many, years experience the facts about the biz...everything you say is pretty much hearsay then, huh? I wasn't psychotic enough to become a Cadillac director, No Name! I test drove my director's car a couple of times. Felt like I was in a boat. Afraid I was gonna swipe everyone in the parking lot. I drive a lovely hybrid, when I am not walking to my lovely organic foods co-op. Thanks for pointing that out -- They are a rare sight indeed. Well, I guess if a small, tiny, infinitessimal handful of people "earn" them, it would be hard to see them...... "I was there, with a good seat, i might add." That figures. "everything you say is pretty much hearsay then, huh?" Ah, the classic: "How could you know anything about our company" line. I just found this site! I am actually an active MK consultant, but don't get me wrong, I am very different from many other consultants. Probably because I don't push it, and I don't look like a consultant. I wear alternative clothes, have short funky dyed hair and wear bold makeup. I've been stared at by other consultants. I sometimes hide that I am a consultant. I have a bag that I use regularly that has Mary Kay embossed in it very slightly, I like the bag so I use it but I keep the MK part turned in... HA! When I do tell people I'm a consultant, I say it sheepishly. But I was trained as a makeup artist and I really like the skin care line. I sell to a few friends and family (and a few random strangers who seem to find me)who also like the product. I sell enough to either keep my discount or often I make enough to pay for my own cosmetics and skin care. Which is really what I'm in it for and I'm happy with that. I was really excited to find this site as I've often felt really put upon or something by MK consultants. They seem to suggest that there is something wrong with me because I'm not striving for their dream. I'm very happy with what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. Why should I change? I have a day job that I work really long hours doing and I love! Other MK people keep trying to convince me that if I did all the things you are talking about, warm chatter, display boxes, etc. I would have a better life and wouldn't have to work so much at my other job. Does this make sense to anyone? I like my job! I've done classes with people and I just don't like it. Probably because I'm honest and up front, which people seem to really appreciate but they don't buy more product. If there is a better product that I know about from another company or one that I think would work better for a person, I'll tell them. I also feel taken advantage of in classes. I spent a lot of my time and money becoming a makeup artist and to pimp myself out for the pink seem unfair to me. I will say that the consultant who recruited me is nice. She is a director now and does do all the stuff we hate. She started gently trying to push me at the beginning, but after a little while just let me be. She still includes me in on all the literature and invites me to all the events but seems content to let me operate on my own. If she didn't I'd probably would have been out so fast. So while it seems as if I agree with everything people seem to be saying on this site, MK does work for me, but since I'm not in it to make money, that probably makes sense... To Shannon: If only there were more consultants with your intelligence and honesty.....blogs like this one wouldn't exist. Sounds like you have a strong mind and you do not have a care in the world about what MKers think of you. You do things YOUR WAY. Good Job!!! How refreshing!! shannon, good for you. mk is about you getting what you want out of it, period. i love that you mention that "customers" seem to find you and you aren't even trying, and that you make enough to cover your own products...again, good for you, thanks for sharing! "i love that you mention that "customers" seem to find you and you aren't even trying"
the point is that there are customers out there wanting products Thanks everyone, I wasn't sure what the take was going to be on my feelins of MK. And while I agree that there are customers out there wanting product, I don't feel that there would be enough repeat business to keep me going. They want a thing here and there. Plus you have to have the right market, and the people that buy from me (tending to be young professionals trying something new, or trying something their friend, ie, me, uses) aren't necessarily at the point in their lives to spend that much money on product when they could buy something sufficient (again that I could recommend) from somewhere else. I give huge discounts when I can so that someone can have say, a great eye cream that they normally couldn't afford. Not really a way to be making money... a way for me to help. I don' t thing that is what most people are in it for. Right on! This is what I thought Mk was supposed to be like when i signed up. But no, my director called me within hours of signing up and suckered me into a huge inventory package without telling me about having to pay for samples, taxes, etc. i was surprised the next day by my credit card company calling about a huge charge (about $1,000 more than what I thought I agreed to). My inventory came in 3 days later. In fact, my starter kit came after my inventory. My recruiter & director called 2-3 times a day so set my debut party, etc. It was crazy! In retrospect, there were a lot of things that I should have done. Like cancel the order, not answer phones, etc. But I was totally overwhelmed with boxes of makeup and lost in the frenzy of activity and reassurances. I was constantly told that the director is really good (being a top director and all) and knew exactly what sells and her inventory package is exactly right for our area, etc. So, it was only 6-8 months later that I finally wised up to the fact that I will never get any African-American clients to sell all the bronze foundations to despite really trying hard. (I'm not AA.) So, i then tried to do it the MK way to sell aging products on my shelf. I attended meetings, dresses in skirts, pantyhose, wore pins, wore make-up everyday (!), etc. for 7 months straight. When that didn't work and my trip prizes turned out to be scams, the picture became clear. In summary, had the director not frontloaded me with so much crap and made me anxious, I might have been happy making not making a living but just to play with makeup samples & get a discount, like Shannon. I think greed will bring down this company. What I found really funny is that everyone did try to pressure me into buying a boat load of inventory. I was a full time student when I signed on, I didn't have the ability to do that! I bought a tiny (and I stress tiny) little bit that I knew I could sell, like the basic skin care. What I didn't understand is why they thought I needed a lot of inventory, people who buy product in this manner are usually completely willing to wait a little bit for it to come in, otherwise they would have gone to a department store. But after reading through a lot of this website now I see what is really going on. I am so happy to have not gotten trapped with a lot, benefit of being a poor student with no credit I guess! "I am so happy to have not gotten trapped with a lot, benefit of being a poor student with no credit I guess!" You were smart to draw the line as to what worked best for you. Pressure is always a red flag. "the point is that there are customers out there wanting products"
I haven't talked to the person who recruited me in probably 2 years. I actually don't have any communication with any MK people. Most freak me out... No wonder you still like MK.... I meant you still like MK because you don't have any contact with anyone Pink, other than ordering from the company. I think that most here would agree that pushy directors and recruiters are much worse than the company. But the reason why we also hate the company is that it turns the other cheek to the common (greedy) practices of the directors. I had feelings that there were greedy practices happening, something just felt wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it exactly (also probably due to my little contact, right from the beginning). I am so glad to hear about all the stuff to look out for... It really does make me want to drop it out of my life as some of the stuff I've read is worse than I would have imagined! Yeah, I'm really ambivalent about this issue as well. Sometimes I think that I'll still just use the product because I like 'em (that's why I got into it in the first place). Other times, I think why am I supporting an MLM that exploits women and ruins a lot of lives. Money worries are some of the worse stressors in a person's life. And it's all so pointless. They have a great product. Why can't they just do business honestly?
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