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Mary Kay Men BashingI got this email last weekend, and she gave me permission to post it here. I thought it was hilarious! I was wondering if anyone has a similar story, or if this was a very unique experience? She says that the "professional speaker" in the below story was a Mary Kay Executive Director. *muffled laughter* "I just discovered your blog this weekend - and it has given me some well-deserved laughs - at least now I know I wasn't the only brainy chick suckered into this! My favorite MK tradition was the short hair - I just refused to cut my hair and it drove my director crazy. She even brought me to a talk where the so-called professional woman speaker spent the entire evening calling men (very sexist) names, and said they were essentially Neanderthals and they liked long hair, because it is how cavemen could drag us around. My jaw is still unhinged from that." Comments "the so-called professional woman speaker spent the entire evening calling men (very sexist) names, and said they were essentially Neanderthals." This just sounds more and more like a man-hater group to me. Wow, these pink ladies have had some really bad experiences with men. Just see a thread below where a Pinko insists "most" women have low self esteem, due to being beaten up by their husband/boyfriend. Its almost the same thing as saying all men are violent wife beaters. For any male posters here, doesn't that just make you cringe? With that type of mentality towards men, I see why MKers see nothing wrong with hiding things from their husbands.
You know, I thought I had heard it all--but when I read this story it made my
jaw drop. "With that type of mentality towards men, I see why MKers see nothing wrong with hiding things from their husbands." Exactly. No small wonder that so many of them wind up divorced after going pink. BTW, I went to a MK meeting one time and the speaker said there is "no way" a woman can get ahead in the corporate world, because its a "man's world". Talk about being a Negative Nellie! Yes in some ways, it still is a man's world, but there are lots of women succeeding in corporate careers. The combination of sexism and 1950's sexuality is a little creepy sometimes. "BTW, I went to a MK meeting one time and the speaker said there is "no way" a woman can get ahead in the corporate world, because its a "man's world". Talk about being a Negative Nellie! Yes in some ways, it still is a man's world, but there are lots of women succeeding in corporate careers."
"The combination of sexism and 1950's sexuality is a little creepy sometimes." They will try any angle. Really. They preach so many conflicting messages. If the feminist angle, doesn't work, they will try the anti-feminist angle. And then switch back & forth as often as necessary. For one they tell women they are supposed to not have careers and stay home with their kids. Then next, they tell those same women they have to "work their business" and work it really hard to succeed.
No long hair in MK? What about NSD Kimberly Walker-Roop? LONG blonde hair. LEt
me think of some other long hair people.. yeah--it must not be everyone saying this stuff, but I'm wondering how much the short hair thing was pushed...my adopted director got all of her hair cut off too, but maybe that's just because she wanted to. Who knows. Wow! The stories just keep coming. Trying to force someone to cut their hair. I can't find the words to comment. I like how she said she wasn't the only brainy chick who got suckered in. I'm an accountant, yes an auditor to boot and I fell for it too for awhile. PC I see you were an engineer. Maybe you could start a thread on what we did when we got suckered in. It happens even to the brainiest. I know there are some very intelligent and witty people here :p
Hi, Then the derogatory comments about men; To me that sort of behavior is no less sexist than if a man degrades a woman with a sexist comment. And as for the hair, I look really bad with short hair, and can put it up if I need to be "taken seriously" by men, instead of inciting them to drag me into their cave. Personally, I think I wanted to try selling because although I am in a hi-tech and male dominated field, makeup is GIRLY Feminine, and fun, right? I should have just gone for the personal use level, and played with it until I realized I was allergic to most of it! Ha ha. PS - I am not a Rocket Scientist, but I live in the Rocket City. Does that count?
I think maybe that's it: we don't get to be girly most of the time, because we
are in a field dominated by male geeks..? I would have to agree with you--I know that the same was true when I was in Longaberger--lots of engineers/techies/former IBMers who couldn't keep up the travel once they had kids, etc. and wanted to do something fun and girlie. Most of you probably attended engineering schools with mostly guys, too (the ratio at my daughter's school is 72m/28f...and when you say "the ratio" everybody knows what you're talking about!) Me, I was an advertising major, I sold ads for 3 different newspapers (college, major daily, local daily), stayed home with 4 kids, sold LB in there for 4 years, made money and didn't recruit a soul, and now I'm an employee benefits broker. I can only do math on my fingers, and only simple cipherin' at that, so I definitely don't win any awards in the rocket science catagory! not only did I attend engineering school with mostly guys, but it was about 80% foreign guys. (mostly from India) So by the time I graduated, I could interpret the thickest Indian accent you can imagine! After 5 years of that, you start to feel desperate for feminine stuff. :) Lara...do you even really read the posts? No one said that ALL women have low self esteem...and no one said that all of the self esteem issues come from ladies being beaten by men. You stretch things more than the Pinkos do. And, by the way, MK is not a man hater group, nor a short hair club. Come on over, check out my hair and my handsome, happy, hubby.
that's great. But for saintseester, MK apparently WAS both a man hater group AND
a short hair club. Noname, we'd love to see your locks and happy hubby, but we don't know who you are. And, I've met many of these women's husbands. They NEVER bash men in front of them - they coo. So of course their husbands are happy. I just have a problem with using a "so-called" discussion on professionalism as a forum for man bashing. One more thing on the hair - and please forgive me if you were in a sorority - this is not a "bash" just an observation. Where I went to college, you could always tell which sorority a girl was in simply by the way she looked. They would all have the same type of hair, clothing, look. And also sorority-ish (down here anyway) is the way the directors name their units like this (I made these up, but might exist in real life!!!): Bobbie's Believing butterflies, Susan's soaring seagulls, Phylis's Phabulous Phoenixes. WHAT IS WITH THAT? All the units around here have names like that. "And, by the way, MK is not a man hater group" Sorry, but I've heard them talk and yes, they do insinuate that men are the enemy. Ooooo, that name thing! Quick, think of something catchy that goes with an "N" name. It's not going to work and my last name could be a first name if you add a letter. So there, besides my morals and work ethic, fate was trying to tell me that it just wasn't meant to be. That and I don't like sharing my hairdo. Hate it, hate it, hate it. I got it cut all nice and cute and went to a meeting and realized we all had the "Barbie flip". I'm not a Barbie, I'm more of a Midge. ""Ooooo, that name thing! Quick, think of something catchy that goes with an "N" name""
Hmmm, Oh this is FUN!
Nikki's Negative Nellies !!!!
ooh ooh! "Nadene's Naughty Nymphos"
Oh my turn again, Nanda's Nudging Newts (And my husband thinks I am working on the computer!) Norma's Noodle Noses? :) Ninjas Rock! 'Natalie's Navigating Neglectors'
hahaa So I guess when they were signing you up for MK, they didn't have to
inroduce you to the "Husbands Unawareness Payment Plan". I am sorry that you are so insecure, and apparently have no time at all on your hands, because you apparently have so much time to try and banter others aspirations and dreams. Anyone who has not succeeded in Mary Kay did so because they were not a part of the right unit, or were simply not brave enough to put in the time and effort needed to make it work. I sell Mary Kay. I made $2000 in the first two months, and then pretty much stopped working my business because it was doing all right without me doing anything. People order from my online site weekly, or call me to ask for products, without me doing a thing. It's wonderful! However, what is even more wonderful than that is the support that I recieve from all of the women who are in my unit. I began to "work" my business again because of these wonderful women. "Working" my business simply consists of the opportunity to make women feel wonderful and beautiful. It is so great to get to sit and talk to women and share with them the techniques that will bring out their beauty. I admit that I started out as you...a doubter. I thought it was all a bunch of crap to try to get me to give them my money. However, in the months that I have done Mary Kay...I have earned more money that I ever thought possible; and, gained more TRUE friends than I thought possible too. "gained more TRUE friends than I thought possible too."
That's the funniest part. All of us who left Mary Kay can tell you that the
"true" friends we made never talked to us again after we got out; seems that the
only people you have time for are the ones in MK. Ever wonder why? “Anyone who has not succeeded in Mary Kay did so because they were not a part of the right unit, or were simply not brave enough to put in the time and effort needed to make it work.” I'm so sorry, but all I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Brave enough, that's a good one. Selling second rate cosmetics is now only for those BRAVE enough to do so. OMG, I'm sorry, it's been a long time since I've been around kaybots in person, so for me it's really frightening to realize that there are actually people out there who believe this crap. To No Name above who says her business works itself: Sorry, but I am ROTFL at that one. "Anyone who has not succeeded in Mary Kay did so because they were not a part of the right unit, or were simply not brave enough to put in the time and effort needed to make it work." Okay, why does it always come down to being in the right unit or not putting in the effort to make it work? I have heard that kind of crap over and over again from those that have had their brains pinkified. I worked my butt off doing everything "the MK way". I had my website up for 2 years and never made enough from the site to even cover the cost I spent on it for the second year. "I have earned more money that I ever thought possible; and, gained more TRUE friends than I thought possible too." Again, ROTFL! Why is it that so many of us have experienced the same thing? Once we decide to leave MK, our "true friends" in MK never want to get together for a girl's night out, they don't return phone calls, and when I do happen to run into someone in a store, all they can talk about is MK. Your entry sounds just like every other brainwashed kaybot. Personally, I think you are following what Mk teaches: Fake it, fake it, fake it. You can keep telling yourself that all is going perfectly well and maybe next year you will make it big with your MK "business". Ummm, yeah. Good luck with that. "gained more TRUE friends than I thought possible too." This is just sad. This is like buying friendship. These ladies are only your friend while you are helping them to enhance their profits ($$$$). I hope someday that you do find some real friends. My "friends" in MK already forgot about me after I stopped attending meetings. And my recruiter/sister-in-law, rarely talks to me anymore too. By the way, I SENT BACK ALL MY PRODUCT TODAY!! Woohoo!! Should all go well, I'll get $1500 in a few weeks! Not quite enough to pay off all the debt from my "business", but enough to make a good sized dent :) you don't look your best when talking to this group about making your 2k doing nothing in MK. It is not possible even when you are working MK 24X7. You know why? Because it is not a business where the only way to build your customer base is by nagging srangers. Oooh, actually she said $2000 in her first TWO months... don't want her to get mad that we're misquotting her too! Why not post a picture of yourselves as you really look, just curious to get a look at you all.
Because if my recruiter finds out that I run this blog, she might get it into
her head to come over to my house and bug me about it. (Of course, she hasn't
really talked to me since I quit MK, but still.) "Why not post a picture of yourselves as you really look, just curious to get a look at you all." Why not post your INCOME as IT REALLY LOOKS?? We're just as curious to get a look at that. "she said $2000 in her first TWO months" I wonder if she realizes, that almost ANYONE could make $2000 at two months, at almost any grocery store job!!! Gheez, people who work at the Dollar Store make around 1K a month. What on earth is she bragging about?? One-thousand per month is nothing to "write home" about. But of course....many pink ladies have never had real jobs or real careers, and have no idea that 1K a month is not "big money". Dear Sweet Lara, why is it that you think MK ladies have never had "real" jobs? Because I grew up and live in Dallas, Tx - the home of Mary Kay!! I know more Kaybots than anyone here!
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