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The Best Little Cult in TexasAs you all know, I NEVER make rash statements on this site without proper documentation to back me up. *coughcough* So I decided to hunt around on www.rickross.com to find the list of characteristics of a cult. A woman named Rachel that used to be a contributor for The Pinking Shears was apparently working on an article for that website on the topic of Mary Kay's cult-like qualities, but she must not have finished it because TPS doesn't have the article posted. But here is the gist of her work, because she posted it on the cult discussion forum about MLM. It's really good stuff: My favorite part is the "lingo" that cults use. In Mary Kay my favorites were/are: "Mary Kay works when you do" "If you believe you can achieve" "In the heart of every failure are the words 'I quit'" "What you think about you bring about" "Fake it til You Make it" --(this one is common to all MLMs)
I'm sure y'all can think of
some more... Comments#1-Any business or industry has it's own verbiage or lingo. There is nothing secretive about the MK sayings, so I see nothing wrong with them. #2-Picking out that one quote at the end out of all the materials out there is a joke. It's a preacher who picks one line of scripture to make a point. The source is not even listed, and I've never heard any such in my eleven years, so it's obviously not very widespread. #3-As for Mary Kay Ash...your document says that there is an abandonment of the principles and worship of the leader? That could not be more untrue in Mary Kay. Her principles are the exact reason for the adoration she receives inside and outside of the Mary Kay world. Have you read her autobiography? Do you know her entire story? She built from nothing, and made it her goal to provide women with an opportunity. Check out one of the MANY books written about her life...she seems quite well respected by the masses, and for all the right reasons. You are really reaching here...even the author of the doc. says that she could not call it a cult...why would you?
Cray Zee wrote: People may respect her for creating a money-making business. The majority aren't aware of how that business preys on women. And while people may respect Mary Kay herself, they certainly don't respect MK in terms of a profession. "Fake it till you make it" is a common mantra used amongst the directors to indicate that you must always give the appearance of success, no matter what. This includes lying about your appointments, earnings, and actual success with the business. "What you think about, you bring about" "That's just stinkin' thinkin'" "You must show up to go up" Then of course there's all the "God wants you to be a director" and "God wants you to make lots of money" crapola...
PC... ""Fake it till you make it" is a common mantra used amongst the directors to indicate that you must always give the appearance of success, no matter what. This includes lying about your appointments, earnings, and actual success with the business." Lady D, that is exactly how I was always led to believe that statement. I remember very clearly one incident where I was really stressing about finances and how I was going to pay a bill that was due to following week and I brought up the issue to my director. All she could say was, "Don't ever let your customers or your consultants see that attitude." Gee, really useful advice. She could not have cared less about the situation I was in, thanks to MK. All she cared about was presenting the right facade to customers and future victims -oops I mean recruits. Oh yeah, I heard the "fake it till you make it" all the time and God wanted me to be a director because I was "so a director, I just haven't made it there yet". Then, if I had a rough time and wanted to talk through it, my director would tell me the devil was sitting on my shoulder, picking at me because he doesn't want me to achieve the success that God does. You know, the last time she said that to me was the same conversation that she said and I quote "I'm not on a mission to enrich lives, I'm on a mission to save them". Alrighty then. I told my husband that and he started laughing and said "She obviously hasn't been reading the right book lately". That phone call actually scared me. It was like talking to someone who was delusional. Everything coming out of her mouth was just bizarre that day. I'm a Christian and I believe that the Lord leads us in different ways. That was when I started getting concerned about the path I had been on. When she started talking like that, I knew the things she was saying were not right. So, while some believe the Lord led them to MK, when I asked for help, I believe the Lord turned me around and walked me right back out! Princessa, When I went to seminar, and heard how even the NSDs were twisting stuff around to glorify MK and the MK way, I knew I was done. God was completely speaking to me about how wrong it was to take things from his word and pervert them to suit MK, to take songs long associated with Christianity and change the words. Even before seminar was over, I had made a decision to get out, even though I didn't tell anyone. I came home, finished what appointments I already had booked and the next week I quit going to meetings and didn't book anymore classes. The thing is this: all of the pro-MKers that try to say that there are only a "few" bad directors/consultants etc, how can they explain that the NSDs at the seminar were doing this stuff. If MK is truly a Christian organization, than how can the NSDs pervert the Bible and twist everything around to basically say, "Worship MK" instead of "Worship God". MK becomes a false god, an idol which is in direct disobedience of the first commandment no other gods before Him. It is a lie and huge deception for those that worship at the feet of MK to say, "God wants you to be a director" or whatever else (to empower yourself through MK..blah, blah, blah). What MK deems as "success" is not necessarily what God sees as success. NOWHERE does He promise us that we will blessed with wealth or recognition. What He does promise is that He will supply all of our needs.
Cray Zee,
Lori, if this were widespread and all true, I would agree with you. Again, it's
taking comments from a few people, people who did not succeed in MK, and
applying it across the board. I'd be curious to know if Knight Commander ever attended a MK event, or is he just going on hearsay? I was always able to talk to my Sr. honestly, and my offsprings and unit members talk to me honestly. Look around Lori, it's the same people on EVERY board who say these same things. There is rarely ever a new name. It totals a handful of people in the grand scheme, they just appear on the different boards and seem like there are more of them than they really are. Also, by banning pro-MKers, they look like the majority. They are far from that. Millions are in MK and happy to be in MK...period. Cray Zee, You keep saying its just a few but there are tons of articles all over saying these things. And if the secrecy thing ,which looks true to me is, no one is going to admit it. Just surfing around there are articles and papers put out there that use Mary Kay and cult in the same breath. Tons of women are saying this. It may look like the same ones to you but in this small circle that will happen. I live in NY not exactly MK central I guess its a southern thing, big hair and all, so I don't see them. You are a wonderful Mary Kay lady, I'm sure, but maybe in your small circle that's what happens. I'm just grateful I know what to do now if anything pink comes up behind me! "Look around Lori, it's the same people on EVERY board who say these same things." Not True. There are more and more people posting all of the time. This blog hasn't been around for very long and it is already well visited. KC, we know there are alot of people who don't post. They will eventually when something comes up they relate to themselves. CrayZee, #1 So you see nothing wrong with these quotes and their use to manipulate just because it's not a secret? #2 Here I actually agree with you, I didn't really understand that quote and also had never heard of it before. #3 I've read three of the most well known books about Mary Kay. I would like to believe that she was a great woman to be respected, but it is hard because the MK reps I have encountered are liars, thieves and cheats. They are representing her to the world as much as you are, I find it strange that you don't think that is wrong. On your next comment, we are not taking "fake it until you make it" out of context. Maybe you use it the way you describe, good for you. But it was also used with me the exact way Lady D, and NotPink described. Basically do whatever it takes to seem successful, even if you are not. Wouldn't you agree some directors use it that way? The woman's quote at the end was from a very popular MLM guru who "teaches" mary Kay consultants--I will post on her and her nutty teachings next. Posted by: pinkcadillac | April 20, 2006 at 08:50 AM CrayZee, I had 627 unique visitors to this site on Tuesday. Obviously they don't all post--but that doesn't mean there's only 10 of us here. I read "The Last Mile" by Ann Vertel (which is obviously written specifically for MK) and here are a couple of other things that bother me (along with that deplorable last paragraph): "This is where you either get real and get serious or you spend the next year wallowing in your justification for why you "couldn't" make it happen." -- Make WHAT happen? Success? That's success as defined by the MK world, of course, and she goes on to say if I don't DO this I will be "wallowing" in my excuses for not "making it". Classic MK manipulation; make them feel bad for NOT making it, ergo, being a failure. In the 5th paragraph she uses the word "failure" 7 times... there are only 5 sentences. Looks like she's trying to make a point. "To get it done, you will have to give up or let go of something that is holding you back." --So, let me get this straight, if my husband tells me he's not for all of this "big girl, do whatever it takes, making it in MK no matter the circumstances" stuff, then I should give him up? "You're done with behaving in a reasonable, average, mediocre, don't rock the boat, "good girl," unobtrusive, let me see how small I can be sort of way." --Sounds VERY Christian to me! ;) CrayZee --I'm sincerely glad you're, supposedly, doing your MK business "the right way", but all one has to do is peruse the Unitnet.com websites and they will be met with hundreds (literally) of documents to back up much of what has been talked about here. Obviously, we can't post every single document that exist in the MK world that contains the words and phrases we have been discussing... there just isn't enough room or time. I can tell you that over the past year and a half I have downloaded approx. 200 docs from various sites (and some have been email to me) of Directors, NSDs and even consultants (some have their own sites online) and I assure you some of this stuff would curl your hair. I'm not saying YOU partake in the unethical, cult-like teachings of these women but it IS out there. Please be mindful in your business NOT to associate yourself with these women... it's just down right scary. Shabby :) "God has been waiting, very patiently, for you to take off your stuffy mental clothes and put on a robe of full-force, give me more, can't touch this, "you SO need to meet me" attitude that will absolutely dazzle Him.
At the end of June he will want you to account for yourself. Seminar is the
place where he can nod his head and say, "you've done well." Or can you see him
shaking his head in disappointment...again? " God is disappointed with you because you didn't make your goals or do well in MK? God attends seminar? He's waiting for you at seminar???? So if you're not in MK then what-how do you get to God? She has equated this MK event to when we as Christians receive our robes of righteousness and appear before the judgment seat of Christ and receive our rewards. She's weaving biblical events into MK. This is SICK, SICK SICK. I would say this coach is close to trampling underfoot the blood of Jesus with these kinds of statements. No one can dazzle God with anything we do. He doesn't need us for that. He's the one who spoke the world into existence. Heaven's streets are made out of Gold. He needs us to do HIS WILL. As the scripture says (paraphrasing) It'not I but the Christ who lives in me. Our lives are hidden in Christ. To live is Christ. It's only by the blood of Jesus that we are even worthy to come into His presence because our own rightousness is as filthy rags. We have none except through Christ. ( this is my belief as a Christian) And she is coaching many many NSDs- AlARMING! Crazy ZEE, this is widespread. You have to disagree with this kind of teaching? A & E featured Kimberly Roop, her mother and sister singing "I've got the Mary Kay enthusiasm down in my heart". That's 3, plus their downlines. ON TELEVISION and now available for you to own on DVD for future generations to see. :P Funny, that's one of the only things I remember from that scary MK meeting I went to--singing "I've got that Mary Kay enthusiasm down in my heart"....must've blocked everything out, because I couldn't tell you one other thing about it! I just remember thinking....what the heck????
I've got pictures of Kimberly leading her own church service for her area.
Cray Zee wrote:
Most of us do not have a new cons. oath. I know HUNDREDS of sales directors, and almost all of them preach the religion of MK, encourage these dishonest sayings, and use a new consultant oath. You really need to get out more.
Yes--these oaths are all totally common and "normal" in Mary Kay. CrayZee is
either lying or she's never been to another director's meetings. Well, let's see. I'm sure she's been to other directors' meetings. That leaves your other option. I think she's just so desperate to give the company a good image, that she'll say just about anything. She tries to discredit us, but doesn't really have any facts to do so. We, on the other hand, keep throwing out fact after fact, document after document... I have been lurking for a short time. I was a first line director to a very popular NSD. I was never a hot shot as I am almost totally an "s" personality. My NSD was supportive of my choice to step down as I had been hit hard with a lot of health issues. I think she was extremely surprised that I sent product back, but was very kind. I never felt comfortable with encouraging anyone to get too much inventory, reordering more than they had the activity to support or having rah-rah meetings. I had a hard time making production because I did not think people should keep ordering if they were not moving the product. I really am not sure I want to go into too much detail as I read how rough people were to other ex-directors who opened themselves up. Sufice it to say I have "sat at the feet" of many nsds at area conferences, special dinners, etc. These women truly believe they are doing God's will and they warn you that your family and others that love you will try to tell you that you are not putting your priorities straight, but you should be prepared for this because the just don't understand. (was that the longest run-on sentence ever?) I was told that I could be in a Bible Study, but shouldn't teach one if I wanted to be successful- it would take too much of my time. I am not a big recognition and prize person, so I never felt I could wrap myself around MK's definition of success. I agree with countessbeeswatter that we can't dazzle God with anything we do, but we are to obey. There are definitely times that I heard nsds use scripture out of context to encourage consultants/directors to do what they want them to. Wow- if you only had access to voicecom- that would make you shudder at times. I just wanted crayzee to know there are more of us out there and some of us have seen the behind the scenes of mk and happily walked away to a more peaceful, joyful life.
Wow blessed mom! thanks for de-lurking for a moment!
PC,
With this pin comes many things
Heavy emphasis on ALL and DO.
blessed mom wrote: This is a hallmark of a cult. Seriously. Thanks- I'd love a title. This is a great group. I wish I had found it long ago. Thanks for sharing blessed mom.
I'm sure your decision to step down heartfelt. We may poke fun and joke alot
here but it is good to hear from you and others like you. Those of you who
sincerely worked your business and may have had some success but just could not
keep up with the charade in the end and had the courage to walk away. Your story is important and will help someone. Our director said constantly when women first sign into MK that "your husband, your family, your close friends, will try and discourage you from working MK. Don't listen to the negative people around you, if you know in your heart you want to do MK, if you can't sleep at night because you are just thinking about it, go with your gut and don't listen to any outside influences. They will all tell you "you can't do it" and then when you do they will tell you "I knew you could do it". You decide who is supportive and who is not and those that are not should be kept far away. This always bothered me. Husbands, family, close friends are probably looking out for your own best interest. According to this Director you should never listen to them and cut them out of your circle? Hello. Cults do that. They phase out everyone outside of the cult so you are left with yourself and the cult members. Whether or not MK Ash really did have that in mind, I am not sure. But man is that creepy. Here are some examples of MK'isms that were used a lot in my area (as well as the ones already listed on here). Up until I quit Mary Kay, I thought these Mk'isms were unique to my area - I was surprised that they are widespread in MK. I'm sure they will all sound familiar to the rest of you as well:
If it is to be, it's up to me. Another saying that was used a lot in our area was: "So and so is just 'squeakers' away from completing her star, or 'squeakers' away from her red jacket". How about-God already knows who will be on your team/in your unit? Here's one of my favorites: Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Also, with the "dreamstealers" aka people truly concerned for you well-being, just ignore them until you get the car, and then invite them to your car presentation. (This is all Arbonne stuff, but I think it still applies) Oh, and you will recruit what you are. You must be your own number one Ace. "How about-God already knows who will be on your team/in your unit" Oh that's terrible! *shakes head* Thank you, blessed mom for sharing your experience. I also wish a group like this was around when I was having doubts about mk. I felt like something was wrong with me not to be successful. I think your story helps many to know that they are not alone although they feel that way. When I was really working hard to "move up the ladder" I was also feeling like I constantly had to compromise my values. I am very glad to hear your nsd was kind and that stepping down brought you happiness and peace. Like many here, you saw "behind the curtain" in mk and alot of it isn't very pretty. I will take a moment to explain my experience in MK, which lasted roughly a year. I signed up at my friend's debut in the summer of 2004. So we learned together moving forward. She had the recruiting thing down "Fake it 'til you make it" methodology. I was more methodical and wanted to train prior to moving forward. She went into DIQ within 3 months and became a director within 6 months. I barely was a team leader during that time. Meanwhile our unit was breaking records left and right and receiving all sort of attention. I didn't know any different until I got out of the fog. I felt like such a failure for not succeeding. After all, so many WERE in our area, and it was number one so what was wrong with me?! However the longer I was in I started feeling icky about some of the tactics used. I remember talking to my recruiter/director about new team members and her telling me, "Girl, don't you worry. I have got the inventory talk DOWN. We will get you in that car in no time." I didn't feel all that good about it. I attended Seminar 2004 and, honestly? I was disappointed. I am a strong "C" personality and I was looking forward to training. Not more ooh-rah, recognition, aren't you jealous? type antics. Still I plugged on. I truly wanted to quit my corporate job and be home with my children. I went to Career Conference as a future director (not diq however) and again, more cheerleading, recognition, and motivational (aren't you jealous? YOU too can achieve this!) speeches, but no objective training. Disappointing. And I wasn't keen on the recognition all being PURCHASE based, and not SALES based. People BOUGHT their ribbons, their right to walk across stage, their lunches. I came home and with serious doubts stayed away for a few weeks. Didn't attend Red Jacket Wknd in my Sr. Director's spanky new house, didn't go to weekly meetings to do facials for my director. My husband saw that I was questioning (but pride was getting in the way too - something I believe they prey upon - you become too PROUD to admit failure or doubt) the whole premise behind team-building or "growing my business" and sat me down for a MK INTERVENTION. I cried, but agreed with him when he pointed out that it was not financially productive, was demanding me to spend more time away from the kiddos, and bringing out characteristics in me that I didn't normally find favorable. I avoided my director and was depressed to be sitting with probably close to $3k in inventory in my office with no one to sell it to. I know what Crayzee is going to say. I didn't focus on selling. But that is not true in my case. I set out facial bowls. I did free makeovers for a Fashion Show (what an expensive waste of time... I sold 1 velocity cleanser and spent probably close to $150 on products and EXHIBITOR FEE). I started with my "Circle of Influence" and tried working outwards. The reality is the market is saturated. That outside of your PITY Circle of Influence there just aren't an abundant supply of customers. How many people would agree to a facial and then cancel or not show up? Or want free stuff and not want to pay full price? Sigh.. I was also told by my director (sr. director) that one had 12 months, and not the rolling 12 months. I felt like such a loser, a failure, non-teachable and non-trainable. By this time my recruiter was a sr. director and my sr. director was building her team for niq. :( It was then that I found pinklighthouse.com. Ohmygosh! I could return my inventory and reclaim some of my lost $$, and more importantly there were more like me! Wow, All-Star did you actually get to return it and get some of your money back? Baroness said: Wow, All-Star did you actually get to return it and get some of your money back? ~~~~~~~~~~ I did. Unfortunately I was ONE MONTH late in being able to include my initial ruby inventory order, but I had ordered enough since then to get a refund for more than half of my remaining inventory. Here's a question. I still find myself going to the websites to see people's progress. Is it a fixation or what?! Another thing that seems weird to me is standing in line forever to have your picture taken with someone you don't even know that is a MK "celebrity". I have countless pictures with nsds- how silly! My nsd had me drag her away at career conf. one year so she wouldn't miss her flight. There were bazillions of ladies waiting to hug her and take pictures with her. In what other job do we act that way? Okay ya'll! No wonder why we all have come across soooo many DISHONEST MKers and share similar experiences, regardless which coast we live on......Because all of the HONEST MKers are in Cray Zee's town!!!!!! Some little dot on the map, apparently. :P Everytime I read her words, I can't help, but think about a town like the one on 'Edward Scissorhands'. Every house looks the same, pink and everyone is in Mary Kay and just SO PERFECT!!! *gag*
I love how they treat NSDs like Rock Stars...can you send me some pictures? hee
hee
Re: Standing in line for pics with NSDs, MK Celebrities Ok, I NEVER understood this. Seriously. One challenge (inventory based - are you surprised?) for my national area was rewarded with a button picture of you and the NSD. Does that motivate you? Seriously? At Career Conference (as the fog was starting to lift) I saw my colleagues gushing and standing in line to take pics with Pam Shaw, and Gloria and my Sr. Director (who is to remain unnamed). Guess what I ended up being? The picture taker. LOL I couldn't' care less, and Pam Shaw even asked if I wanted one, to which I responded, "No thanks." "and Pam Shaw even asked if I wanted one, to which I responded, "No thanks." " I'd love to have seen her reaction to that. Posted by: Countess Beeswatter | April 20, 2006 at 01:23 PM
WHOA! burn! I cannot bee-lieve you turned down a picture of Pam Shaw! All-Star, your story sounds a lot like mine with the fashion shows and facial bowls. I'm glad you were able to return some of the product and get your money back. I also had about 3K invested. Blessed Mom, I would just like to say I'm glad you posted your story. The whole thing about not being able to teach a Bible Study is outrageous. As I said in a post further back in this thread, God doesn't view success in riches. He views it in how many people we have reached for him and helped to grow in Him. "They didn't come out and say "worship MK" in those words" Apparently, those exact words MUST be said in order for Cray Zee to finally.....GET IT. *sigh* Heh heh - In my area, you couldn't get your picture taken w/ Rena Tarbet at her retreat unless you were at least a Red Jacket. Well, like All-Star Dropout, I've posted a few times but generally lurk. My mother and sister both did MK as just consultants. My mother dropped out because she felt like she was ripping her friends off, and my sister dropped out because her upline was always hounding her to get more inventory so they could move up. I found this website when I was introduced to the "wonders of Arbonne", and quickly declined. Since then, the woman who was my intended sponsor, has remained at DM for 6 months, when she told me her intentions were to reach NVP by 1 year. It is at the point where all of her friends avoid her like the plague because she tries to keep giving them the "gift" of Arbonne (and debt). I don't agree with the practices of either of these companies. When I told my relentless friend that I had a moral problem with succeeding on the backs of my friends and family, she told me flat out "I have no problem with that at all." I have also made it a point to tell almost all the mutual friends we have that they should stay the hell out of Arbonne. I have said "It is possible to succeed. But do not buy into the idea that it is done easily." I also had the pleasure of telling my Arbonne-crazed friend that I buy the stuff I like off eBay because it is cheaper. DAGGERS I tell you. If looks could kill. This gal recently had a "business launch" and invited only mutual friends who have husbands with stable and higher paying jobs. .. If it were not for this website and The Truth on MLM website, I might have actually fallen for this. After all, she is my friend and is intelligent. Why would I doubt her? MANY people have this attitude, which is why they want you recruiting your friends and family like crazy, because they TRUST you. This woman was calling me every day when I was considering becoming a business builder. You think I hear from her now?? Thank you pinkcadillac--you saved me from undoubtedly going into debt! Love the site! Hehee i just convinced my old recruit (and best friend) to join me outside the bubble and return her $4000 ws in product... who cares if i have to pay a few dollars back I'm out and already terminated. hey--you have to pay chargebacks even if you aren't in MK any more! Our very own Puerto Rican Duchess just got a BILL from Mary Kay because one of her recruits sent back inventory!!!!!! but yes--she should still send it back. :) My God! 4000 wholesale must be a tremendous amout of makeup! Hey Pc who here had the largest return to MK? honestly i don't want their money its worth it to get my best friend out of there. i haven't been paid half my mk commissions anyways because i was never active it worth it They can bill you too? Yikes ...you are never out. Kinda reminds me of that famous line "Just when I think I'm out...they pull me back in!" "you couldn't get your picture taken w/ Rena Tarbet at her retreat unless you were at least a Red Jacket." thats disqusting I quit going because they made up put ourselves in present positive pink bubbles, snap cape, and put on our 'wonder women' buckles... It was ridiculous! That's when I lost all motivation! Thank sanity opps present * I mean PRETEND... that was so 'professional'- I dressed up in a skirt just to bend over and make a pink bubble surrounding me from head to toe- probably not.
you had to pretend to wear a cape and wonder woman belt buckle? the order is actually $8650 retail... its nuts thats why i am so releived for this sight. PC YOU HAVE ENRICHED MY LIFE** because of you my friend and her husband can get a car instead of sharing one. oh jeez. thank goodness she's sending all that crap back!!!!!! yeah you had to pretend to snap it on and everything. i refused after the first two meetings because it was stupid. "yeah you had to pretend to snap it on and everything. i refused after the first two meetings because it was stupid" *Hysterical Laughter* has rendered me speechless!!!!!! Legally the commission chargeback IS owed to the company, and yes, they could send you to a collection agency. It's in the agreement. the directors in the front used a pick wand to make the pink bubble. 'stand up- put you pretend wand on you toes (unless you are queen of sales and get to barrow one) and make a BIG circle around you' up around and close... WOW. *Now all the lies will stay in and the truth is locked out!
Oh crap that is FREAKY. I was just thinking what my dad would say if he heard
that. (My dad is even more blunt than me--I'm a chip off the old block)
I don't remember the chargeback thing in the consultant agreement! I thought I
read the whole thing! PinkCadillac...thank for this blog. Thank you for taking the time to get the word out about this hype. I have only posted once before (I'm under pressure from my SIL to keep active in Mary Kay). I was interested in building a business in which people could order online directly from the company, only to find out (after I had been told this was possible and signed up) that I would have to carry an inventory and ship to the customers myself. I was definitely not interested in recruiting. I was in Amway (now Quixtar) for four years, and it had many of the same cult-like aspects. Instead of saying someone is a "negative nellie", they would say he/she has "Stinkin' thinkin'". The leaders of the AMO's (Amway motivational organizations) were worshipped like gods. They had the system of systematic brainwashing down to a fine art. There are a lot of parallels to the MK business. The following is from chapter two of Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves* *© 2000 by Steven Hassan; published by Freedom of Mind Press, Somerville MA, as seen on Steve Hassan's website , www.freedomofmind.com. Steve Hassan is a cult expert, and some of the following is his analysis of mind-controlling groups:
**************************** 1. Need to internalize the group's doctrine as "Truth"
a. Map = Reality 2. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words". 3. Only "good" and "proper" thoughts are encouraged. IV. Emotional Control 1. Manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings. 2. Make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader's or the group's. 3. Excessive use of guilt a. Identity guilt
1. Who you are (not living up to your potential)
****************************** Can you stand one more comment? The one statement in MK that got me was "if you are having a bad day, keep it to yourself". Isn't this supposed be women sharing? Doesn't everyone have a bad day? What's wrong with saying that?
Hey PC... Queens Court of Blogging! I like the sound of that...
Cray zee Welcome! PinkCadillac, with all the new activity today it seems almost a shame that Cray Zee (or others) haven't responded.
it's okay. really. i don't mind. Are you sure that you weren't jealous "new woman"?
Okay. Gotta tell you that many of the former directors here are from very
well-known NSD areas, and some of these "ethical, respectable, christian women"
are really nasty vipers behind the scenes. “I do think that some here may be a bit jealous.” Ok, of all the crazy things that CrayZee has said, I think that's the nuttiest. Normal people are not jealous of Mary Kay ladies, no matter what their exalted status. re: MK and honesty MK herself would never tell her real age when asked. How is that honest? I would think that since she owned a skincare company that made her skin look so wonderful that she would have been happy to tell people her age to prove her products worked. No one is going to convince me that the lady didn't have some work done either. Or that she didn't have the best photo-retoucher in the business. We all know that plastic surgeons are the richest people in the Dallas area and can be found on every corner. In fact, the plastic surgeon market is the only one more saturated than the MK market around here.
oh. my. gosh. LeNoir sent me an UNTOUCHED photo of a well-known NSD, and i swear
you wouldn't even recognize her--her portraits must be airbrushed for HOURS. Of the 8 of us that debuted as directors in our national area within a 4 month period- only 1 is still a director. 2 Sr. directors have also stepped down and they were both always in the areas top 10 (usually the upper half). I do not think our story is so out of the ordinary. "Are you sure that you weren't jealous "new woman"?"
I just about LMAO when I read the "jealous" stuff. I mean....puh-lease, jump on the reality train, sister. Yeah, we're all really jealous of somebody who dresses up in a clone costume, doesn't really make any money to speak of, drives a pink car she doesn't even own and bugs the crap out of nearly everybody she encounters. Yeah, jealous. That must be why we're all here. Actually for me, it's like one of those freaky things where you just can't look away. I'm still kind of shocked that grown women actually behave this way and are so programmed that they don't have an original thought. Blows my mind. No matter how well respected you may think you are, CrayZee, generally most people are just too kind to laugh at you to your face. That's the beauty of the internet. Now you know. Enuf Said, Are you new here or have you been lurking awhile? Welcome!
Cray Zee wrote: I have no respect for NSDs because they only get there off the backs and credit cards of other women. I don't consider that "earning" anything. And no, I'm not jealous of the NSDs. If you knew about the success I'm having with my (honest) business, you'd know why! I think that comment relates to ANY director, not just NSDs. But really, NSDs aren't as rich as they pretend. Why else would they be so incredibly cheap with their units?? The NSD in my town will earn over a half a million dollars this year. Yeah, but how much of that will she actually keep?
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